Monday, June 30, 2008

N Jaykumar of Prime Securities.........

Friends,
N Jaykumar of Prime sec is one speaker at CNBC whom I try to read or hear..
He has his view and not talk with a prejudice mind.
Last Saturday I read him at money control site along with Adrew Holland.

One reply to a question asked to him has interested me a lot.
I am pasting here for readers and make their own judgement as I am not a person whose opinion should be read or discussed…..

Read on:
Q: If indeed we are in a bearish kind of market, do you think we will go back to those 10-12 kind of PE multiples where we typically have bottomed out in the past? is it conceivable?

Jayakumar: Something needs to happen to make money reflow into these markets. While we painted seriously gloomy picture right through is that if you go back to participatory note (P-Note) writers-the big bulge bracket firms -virtually everybody will tell you that almost every single holding in any of the stocks has been lent out to be shorted. So virtually there is no borrowing available for somebody to borrow and short in the Indian markets. From that perspective, today you can actually argue that there is no incentive for the short to cover.

Having said that, at some point in time since the gains are reasonably recent, the shorts will have to start covering. So one bout of short covering and I am not sure which broking house would actually put out the thing seeing that USD 7 billion of stock has been borrowed and shorted. As those numbers are right and long only funds also come in, the upward pressure on the short covering itself could actually sees reasonably large size rallies.

The other thing is that India has fallen significantly more than most markets. Now just to look at the Dow or the European markets fall, I think makes for no sense whatsoever. Today we have fallen 3 times of Dow; the Dow is probably down 11%-13%; for the year we are down 35%. In that environment therefore, we will find reasons to bottom out nothing else for short covering reasons. Secondly, interest rates keep going up; maybe there is a squeeze in the commodity markets and the unwinding thereof. If these things happen - of course what is keeping a lead in all this is just like momentum drove us on the way up, there is a reverse momentum in some of the funds etc especially the hedge funds which are facing not just redemptions but lot of performance problems and if those problems translate into a greater squeeze, I think you are going to have maybe the capitulation-selling which you are seeing is happening in a sense in the markets.

So I think a lot of this has been because of the capitulation - a lot of it may have already happened especially the size of the short covering, which I think can potentially happen whenever it does. I do not know if it goes to 10-12 multiples. I had a bottom that was much higher than where we are today. But given whatever, this 13,500-14,000 could actually hold despite all the negatives and maybe we break down from there and maybe it tests a little lower. But I suspect in those range, it is conceivable - when you overshoot, it would actually go down to 12,500-13,000. But I would be very surprised if we did.


My comments:
If the figures are true of $7 bn borrowed stocks are shorted.........and has to be given back.....to the lenders and if Bears are breaking the prices with LOW VOLUMNES, then what will happen when crude will tank....and inflation willcome down as Inflation is related with the crude prices......

This means that when covering takes place then $7 bn worth of stocks borrowed are to be bought from the market and should be given back to the lenders.....A real buying will come.....which will be far far bigger then the actual selling of FII's of $5 bn...
Please take my view as a pinch of salt as I am accused of misguiding readers....


7 comments:

  1. Can anyone believe in such a bad market ,that SKS Shipping and Flex Foods can be already be in almost circuit filter?
    SKS rose from....25.20 to 27.35 and Flex Foods from 19.35 to 23.20!!!!!!!!!

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  2. All right.In bear Market there are more to blame(Market or persons). Anyway rajeev don't feel bad.We like your writing and try to learn about the company you are mentioning as much as possible and then entering.There is nothing wrong from your side.

    I am not FA or TA right now(Just beginner).I like more FA and like to learn little bit about Tech Analysis.The only reason for that is just want to know when to enter..

    But here you go Rajeev one more from list fired up TODAY 16.51% today
    ANG AUTO CMP - 86.80( +12.30 (16.51%)

    Keep your good work.Each one has individual style of investing.Make your own decision before invest.

    Have a good Day
    Ravi

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  3. KPR, I dont believe you are telling ANG Auto has blasted.. Do u knw how much fall does ANG auto has seen in last 6 months? It has fell from 400 to 70..

    And it has gone by 16% today to 86.. can u tell me where is 400?

    I am not blaming Rajeev for anything. But, it is each investor's mistake of looking for multibagger and finally one loses his 50% of money

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  4. siva, Did I recomend ANG at Rs 400?

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  5. Rajeev bhai,

    What do you think about the following? I am planning to do some investiments in these.

    Marg ltd.
    XL Tele
    Bartronis
    GHCL
    IFCI

    Please guid on these.

    Thanks in advance,

    Ramesh

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  6. Ramesh,
    I think all are equally good with sounf fundamentals.
    Only things one should look luenow is how much down can market go?
    That is a million dollar question.
    Sensex has gone down so fast that no one has any clue what is happening.....
    Even the origin Bears like SS must be surprised to see the fast deterioting situation of Indian Market.
    But as I have written in previous post here that Bears are hammering all stocks like no tommorow and maybe perhaps BEARS ARE IN HURRY to do it as soon as possible because they know that whenever Crude will tank, their game will be over......

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  7. hi ,all..when i called a top at 20870 on 12-jan-08,i never expected such severe correction to take place..but markets never moove as per our EXPECTATIONS !!!!!..this is an universal truth.a lot of us thought that as everyone expects 12000..market will not come to that level..but i think the speedy communication systems have changed that perception..spread of the great subject is so immence that everyone comes to know the level of supports and resistance in no time..but i think as i EXPECTED in jan -08 itself that we are heading for a 2-3 years of consolidation phase..the range may have changed but till now i stick to the point that THIS FALL IS CORRECTIVE IN NATURE ONLY....the question is that which rise is being corrected ?? the one from sept -01...oct-02 or the one from may 04 ??..few technical points to be discussed..

    1)the bearishness as seen in last few days is at the extreme..exactly as bullishness was at its best in jan-o8..so as per rules its a time to call a bottom very much nearby...no one knew in jan-08 that inflation will reach such dizzy heights or oil will threaten to touch 150..or our gdp will have tobe re-rated to slow down as hefty as more than 2% within short span of six months...but MARKET KNEW ALL THESE CHANGES ARE COMING IN MACRO-ECONOMY OF THE COUNTRY..AND TECHNICALLY I CALLED IT A MAJOR TOP....is the reverse going to happen this time?? the answer is yes...how stronger a bottom we will see in the future.but i am sure we are very much near a BOTTOM....as i have been mentioning in all my articles THE MARKET DISCOUNTS THE FUTURE..so these hefty fall in indices is surely worth a fall of 2-3% of GDP..and remember that not a single blue-chip company listed in nse or bse has stopped working !!..its only that EXTREME GRID which was reflected in zooming and unrealistic prices has been CORRECTED..and now is the time to correct the prices which are too much below FUTURE FUNDAMENTALGROWTH because of EXTREME FEAR....

    2)THE ROC AND MACD on weekly charts have shown a clear positive divergance in highly oversold zone.. which will help the bear onslaught.

    3)if you see the weekly charts of sensex and nifty it is very much clearly evident that the whole fall has come in three segments UNTILL NOW..AND as the fall is nearing some major supports mentioned as under i think that the fall is CORRECTIVE BY NATURE.

    4)I HAVE SEEN one important use of fibonacci ratios, that when you can see a distribution or accmulation on the charts you can set the targets of the last phase after the distrbution or accumulation phase ends..we can see a DISTRIBUTION phase was going on between march -may 08..targets of which are 12226 and 3637 in sensex and nifty respectively ..one can understan my concept by looking at attached charts.

    5) here are some fibonacci ratios for indices,a) if you take the low of may-04 to the top of jan-08..12688 and 3813 are the 50% retracement levels...B) FROM APRIL-03 LOW TO THE TOP IN JAN-08..50% rretracement level is 3631 C) octo-02 low and jan -08 top..12013 is a 50% retracement level for sensex..D)IF WE TAKE SPET-01 LOW AND JAN-08 TOP..11907--3605 ARE THE 50% RETRACEMENT LEVELS...........
    ...so weather the markets are getting corrected off the rise from the lows of 2002---2003 or 2004...the 50 % retracement levels are between 11907---12688..my target is 12226..for nifty it comes in between 3605--3813...

    6)the highs made by indices tends to give support when they get corrected..we have a SIGNIFICANT HIGH of 12671--3774 made in may- 2006..

    7)similarly for SIGNIFICANT LOWS we have lows of 12316--3554 made in panics of march-07....SO MY CONCLUSION IS WE ARE VERY MUCH NEAR A SIGNIFICANT BOTTOM.

    BHAVESH NAIK.Wednesday, 02 July, 200808:21:36 AM

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